Patrick Obolgogiani (00:09)
Raj, can you tell me the origin story of Keepfit Kingdom and specifically what motivated you to found this brand with a pretty high ambition? A billion people at age 100, right?

Raj Khedun (00:21)
Yep. Yep. Well, thanks, Patrick, for having me. I’d have to kind of give you the context of this story of how it all came about. I have to take you a little bit into my It’s a little origin backstory. Is that okay? Yeah. So it started when I was three years old. My mother takes me to nursery school or kindergarten, as you say in America, but we enroll.

Patrick Obolgogiani (00:36)
Sure, let’s do it.

Raj Khedun (00:46)
look at the playground, look at the classrooms, and then we end up in the library. And the first two books I ever pick off any bookshelf in my life in this lifetime was one book about dinosaurs and one book about planets. And for whatever reason, Patrick, these images remain so sharply embedded in my mind, in my memory, that they kind of impacted me more than my entire schooling education, which is kind of like a blessing in disguise because

The themes that were contained in these images were so important to me and got me curious even until now. So the first one, dinosaurs. Okay, how do dinosaurs evolve? How do you become, go from an alligator to a dog, to a cat, to a bird and then a dolphin and an elephant and the higher forms of sentient life. They can communicate better. They’ve got a more of cooperative mentality. They work together.

Right? Human beings, you think, okay, well, how do human beings evolve their brains then? Can they do that? And of course they can, you know, with consistency, with the right methodologies and technology in neuroscience, they can evolve their brains to be far more capable. As you know, they keep reporting that we only use 10 % of our brain. So where is that 90 % of hidden potential then?

Right. So that was the dinosaur thing and the evolutionary aspect. The other aspect was the planets. Like how do these incredible orbs of energy, which are, you know, you’ve got Jupiter spinning at 47,000 kilometers per hour, right? It can fit 1,300 planet Earths inside it. Right. It’s so huge. And yet it spins so fast. So I started to think about these planetary energies. What are they doing? How do they affect one another and how do they impact human beings?

So then it wasn’t until later that I began to realize more and more of the finer arts and science of how these natural energies coexist and interrelate. Then I was also, as a three-year-old, was also wondering on Mars, why do you have an empty planet? Like you could go on NASA now on YouTube channel and you see they have the rover, know, robots looking around Mars. And you see it’s rocky red ground.

red sky, but no plants, no water, no plants, no dinosaur bones or any bones of any kind. And I’m thinking to myself, why is there an empty planet next to us with nothing on it, yet Earth is full of life? Can’t get away from it from top to toe. You’ve got birds in the sky, you’ve got whales and fish in the sea, you’ve got eight billion humans on the planet Earth, plus all the fruit and veg and gems and

gold and everything here. It’s just a strange, you know, contrast having nothing there and having everything here. So these are the kind of questions that boggled my little three-year-old brain, if that gives you a bit of context.

Patrick Obolgogiani (03:52)
Yeah. And I guess that didn’t immediately lead to anything, right? But then eventually they maybe somehow kind of were stuck in your mind as you were growing up. What happened then was you were starting to grow up. Did you already have a clear direction of what you wanted to become as a teenager?

Raj Khedun (04:07)
Well, not necessarily. I was always interested in health and fitness and the kind of evolutionary thing, it kind of went over into anatomy, physiology, why the body works the way it does, how certain people recover quickly. Some people have great strength, some people have no strength, some people are healthy and well for a hundred years and some have hardly any health and they’re bed bound. So all these contrasts.

It really amazed me. So I studied it from that kind of philosophical inquiry to then using the science of anatomy, physiology, nutrition, supplementation. So I was in the gym a lot. I did a lot of martial arts, gymnastics. And then eventually that evolved into documenting and putting it onto the blog called keepfitkingdom.com.

We’ve 2,500 articles covering everything from muscular development to flexibility to yoga postures for the elderly to nutrition, nutrition, optimum sleep, consistency in workouts, all those kinds of different areas we cover in a lot of detail. And it’s still a great passion even now. As long as we have a human body, we should investigate how to make the most of it.

Patrick Obolgogiani (05:19)
Yeah, beautiful. And how did breathing start playing a bigger role? Because it sounds like that’s quite a major part of the work you do currently as a coach as well. How did that came into being as part of building the base of articles for human longevity?

Raj Khedun (05:35)
Well, there’s again a kind of colourful twist to the story, if you like. When I was 18, my mother takes me to India for the first time. And I know it sounds like a kind of bombastic out there story out of the box, but it happened to me and I have to just tell it in order to contextualise everything. So…

I was quite an obnoxious bratty teenager when you’re 18. You you think you know a lot and you actually don’t because you’ve just read some school books. So I go to India and I meet what’s called an avatar. So most people are familiar with the word avatar from James Cameron’s film Avatar or Netflix Avatar Last Airbender with all the shape shifting of the elements, the fire, water, air, fire, you know, like

And I thought, you know, before going to India, I thought all of that was just silly nonsense, like woo woo stuff until I go to India and I meet a full blown real life avatar. And I’m like, my gosh, what is this? He knew everything about me. He knew why I picked up those two books as a three year old in the kindergarten. He knew everything about me and

He said that, you know, beings like us, know, these super powerful beings like Buddha, like Christ and so on, don’t be overwhelmed by their knowledge. It’s natural for them. They know everything about everyone. Right. And I was blown away because in my school, I had my schooling, I had nothing to prepare me for this. And he said to me, I know why you’re here. I’m the one who brought you here. And I’m like,

What? This is just madness. Am I dreaming or what? What is going on here? So he says, I know why you’re here. I’m the one who brought you here. I’m going to tell you what you have to do in life. You don’t know what happens when you die. You don’t know how this earth was made. You don’t know anything, son. He said son very affectionately. And I was like,

I was just dumbfounded. I didn’t know what to say. But my ego felt very offended. I felt like I’d just been punched flat. It said, you’ve got to be humble, son. You got to learn and you got to listen. So from then, I went into monk mode for 10 years. Right? So I started, yeah, I went into monk mode. I like, I left the TV behind, the cinema, the

the newspapers, I left all that behind. And for 10 years I went into monk mode studying the most esoteric, Vedantic, Buddhist scriptures you could find.

I studied astrology, I went deeper into anatomy, deeper into the causative factors of what makes a human being different and so on. And then I started studying the breath, how the dynamics of breath and consciousness and energy are so interwoven. And then I realized that, we weren’t taught this from the beginning of life in school, like we should have been taught this then. But then I realized that

It could be a reason why they don’t want you to know this. Right? Because if you do, you’re going to be able to unlock a lot of power and potential that you never knew you had. So that’s what I started doing. I started understanding a bit more of the dynamics of breath and consciousness and energy. Because end of the day, all the neuroscience is bearing this out. If you look at quantum physics, Joe Dispenza, all these guys, they’re bearing this very fact.

out that there’s only two things that exist in the cosmos. One is energy and one is consciousness. These are the only two things that exist, primarily. Everything else is built on that. So when I started studying the breath, I realized that I could boost my immune system, my nervous system and not get sick. I haven’t been sick for 23 years. I haven’t taken medicine or seen a doctor or been to a hospital, had an MRI or an x-ray or ultrasound for 23 years.

people ask me, how do you do that? I never used to get a cold, nor a migraine, nor a headache. You’re always on the go, full of energy, always laughing, having fun. I’m saying it’s because of this electromagnetic energy, which you can channel through your brain, through your breath.

So I hope that helps. I know it’s a bit of a long story, but I hope it gives context.

Patrick Obolgogiani (10:15)
Yeah. No,

it’s appreciated. Yeah. Maybe the way you in India for those 10 years, did you go back to the UK at that stage? Just curious about the details. Got it.

Raj Khedun (10:25)
No, I was in the UK and I went into Monkville which was

even harder because no one understood why I was doing it and they’re why don’t you hang out with your friends anymore? Why don’t you go to the cinema? Why don’t you go on holiday? I said, you know, there’s something that Avatar did. Yeah, that just made me say, look, I’ve got to focus. I’ve got to dedicate. So, yeah.

Patrick Obolgogiani (10:31)
Yeah.

Yeah, just studying.

What about them, if you think about someone who is intrigued by what you just mentioned, like, hey, I’d like to move towards that, like to understand what breathing could do to me around my immune system, the nervous system and so forth. Where do you find it’s a good place to start when you have a new person coming to you? Raj, what’s happening here? Tell me. Where do you start with them? What’s the first step?

Raj Khedun (11:12)
First step, all depends in that first conversation. You know, I was very good at, we do a lot of interviews all the time and questionnaires and things. So we find out what their lifestyle is. So what’s, what does your current day look like? How much do you do much exercise or no? What kind of diet do you have? Is it meat based? Is it plant based? We find that those on plant based diets are a lot quicker, they get quicker results because there’s less interference with the digestive system, which is huge.

So I always ask questions about diet, exercise, level of stress in either your workplace or at home. Are there any problems that are stagnating your energy? It could be an estranged spouse or a kid or some other addiction or something like that. Alcohol is a big issue. Interpersonal relationships, and I’ve studied, and I’m also a relationships coach for women for the last 16 and a half years now. So I know that.

Even though on the surface they may look good, everything may look fine. Internally, their energy is stagnant because they’ve got some emotional block or emotional relationship problem that’s causing havoc in their personal life. So we’re very good at asking the right questions to really understand where they’re at. And then we often prescribe simple breathing methods, similar to Wim Hof, to get things moving.

And then normally within two to four weeks, if they follow it daily, we start to notice some alleviation of symptoms, less stress, a bit more relief. And then if they really want to go deep, we start working with them for a month, two months, three months to reverse the inflammatory processes of pain they might have.

Patrick Obolgogiani (12:55)
Wonderful. Why don’t we take a case example and see what would be a protocol for that type of person. So let’s imagine we have, I don’t know, like a 40 year old-ish guy who’s like in a pretty stressful job. Maybe things are okay at home. I think, let’s say, that’s causing extra stress, but they’re going to feel this kind of boundary between work and family life being difficult.

They probably eat just omnivore, a of everything. Maybe many times not the best food from a nutritional perspective, but like in a rush maybe skip breakfast, lunch. And they basically come to you like, look, I feel that there’s like constant anxiety in my life. They’ve been sick once in a while, like, and they would love to get.

you know basically what what to get it’s a state where they have this like ease and control of their system and of course ideally also like feel healthy long down in decades to come based on what does this mention what comes to mind is maybe a kind of daily habit or routine to build for that person

Raj Khedun (13:49)
Hmm.

That’s great question and it’s very typical of what we see, know, pretty much daily. So first, I always ask the question, what are you trying to do in life? What do you want to do? What’s your dream? Right? Are you happy? Because from there, we know that if you’re thinking positive towards something you’d like to do or something you enjoy doing, a lot of problems seem to magically disappear.

or you know, you’re on the trajectory whereby things make you happier or other than, you know, energize you rather than deplete your energy or drain your energy. So for us, it’s all about energy. It’s all about understanding where the energy is going. And we would say, you know, if they smoke or drink things like this, they’ve got to look at that carefully and try to if you can try to reduce that, great. If you can give it up, even better, even better.

Patrick Obolgogiani (14:35)
Mm-hmm.

Raj Khedun (14:47)
because then you’re to have more mental bandwidth and emotional bandwidth to use that energy for more, you know, more constructive, more constructive things. So we would walk them through simple breathing exercises and watch them carefully for at least seven to 14 to 21 days and then see if they’re getting an alleviation of symptoms. They will experience parasympathetic reset. So

A lot of people who are stressed out, they’re like go, go, go, cortisol, fear, adrenaline, and so on. The problem is they don’t know how to regularly dial it back into the parasympathetic nervous system for rest, digest, deep healing of trauma, stress, injury, surgery, whatever. So we use the 3-3 method that we specialize in to get them quickly into the parasympathetic nervous site.

And people ask us often, how come this works so quickly? We feel really well after like seven days, 14 days, 21 days. And I explain to them the science. The science is, as you know, Patrick, the brain has a lot of powerful hormones in it. And you’ve got endorphins, which alleviate inflammation and pain. You’ve got serotonin and dopamine, which are happy, feel-good hormones.

You’ve also got what’s called anandamide. Have you come across that? No. Anandamide comes from the Sanskrit word bliss. Ananda means bliss, my molecule. So we all have a bliss molecule in our brain. So you ask yourself the question, why would we have a bliss molecule in our brain if we were not designed to be happy?

Patrick Obolgogiani (16:07)
No.

Raj Khedun (16:27)
Right? So we’re all designed to be happy as humans. Also, the 3-3 activates the vagus nerve, which is a very important part of the parasympathetic nervous system to rest, relax, deep sleep and so on. this is what we do to help reset a person’s nervous system, get them feeling good, get them feeling calm in flow state. And interestingly enough, when you’re in flow state, everything tends to go smoothly.

or smoother. Relationships tend to go smoother. You tend to enjoy your work a bit more because you get creative, you get new ideas, new insights. And it’s all because you’re releasing this cascade of neurochemicals in the brain in a leveraged effect. That’s why it has such a big impact.

Patrick Obolgogiani (17:17)
Would you be open Raj to running that exercise with me? Should we do it for one minute?

Raj Khedun (17:20)
Yeah, sure.

Do you do any breathing message yourself?

Patrick Obolgogiani (17:26)
Mostly just throughout the day I do like that six-ish second in, six out, just the resonance type of breathing. And then once in a while I do those kind of oxygen-advanced style breath holes when I’m walking, for example, just to train up the CO2 tolerance. But those are the two main ones that I do kind of daily, basically.

Raj Khedun (17:37)
Okay. Okay.

Okay, okay,

and do you find those work best for you? Or they work well for you?

Patrick Obolgogiani (17:47)
I really like the resonance one that really gets me to a balanced state. Whether I want to go upwards, downwards in regulation, I find it works really well. And then in the mornings, I forgot to say, I do like the fire breathing style to activate the nervous system in the morning, which I usually go outdoors, even if it’s cold to do it. So I find, you know, each one suited the situation that I’m doing it in.

Raj Khedun (18:02)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

absolutely. Okay, so this one, we first check in with each person and say on a scale of one to 10, how do you feel right now? So just check in one to one is feeling terrible, 10 is amazing. What would you say you feel right

Patrick Obolgogiani (18:29)
8

Raj Khedun (18:30)
8,

8, okay.

We also check the nostril flow and we do that by blocking the right nostril first and breathing in and out.

of the left one.

and then we switch over block the left one breathe it in up okay and would you say there what’s the ratio 50 50 or 60 40 or 70 30 what do you say roughly

Patrick Obolgogiani (19:09)
about 60-40 in favor of the left one, it was easier.

Raj Khedun (19:12)
60

40 okay that’s pretty common okay

Okay, so the three three in a snapshot just to keep a nice short compact session here. It’s three short inhales through the nose like this. And then three exhales through the mouth with an elongated exhalation on the third one. So it’s like this.

So sniff sniff sniff.

Open the mouth a little bit more Patrick so the heart comes from the back of the throat to activate the vagus nerve

but a little slower, a little slower. Nice and relaxed.

You got it. You got it. Okay, we’ll do it for a minute together.

and for this minute keep the eyes closed and get into a gentle rhythm that’s the key.

3, 2, 1, and go.

A little slower, a little slower.

Open the mouth a little bit more

you

you

Once more. Stop there, keep your eyes closed, just relax.

Just relax and observe what’s happening within.

Just relax.

Keeping your eyes closed Patrick, tell me what you notice and how you feel.

Patrick Obolgogiani (21:50)
There’s a sense of warmth, much more than before. I can feel like a bit of tingling in various places, probably the oxygenation in the body.

alertness.

Really all the way until the peripherals, like the fingers, the legs, But even most in the torso area.

Raj Khedun (22:27)
and the tingling.

Patrick Obolgogiani (22:34)
and legs, feet, little bit hands.

Raj Khedun (22:35)
Okay.

Patrick Obolgogiani (22:37)
Yeah, I think it’s… There’s also this… Even though it’s kind of activating to some extent, there’s also a sense of calmness at the same time, which is interesting.

Raj Khedun (22:45)
Yes.

Yes. You said alertness as well, even though you’re calm, you’re more alert perhaps.

Patrick Obolgogiani (22:49)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Raj Khedun (22:55)
did you notice your heartbeat slow a little bit.

Patrick Obolgogiani (23:04)
Not before you said, but now that I pay attention, yes.

Raj Khedun (23:09)
You feel it’s a calm, the heart rate is calm now, quite calm.

Patrick Obolgogiani (23:13)
Yes,

indeed.

Raj Khedun (23:16)
and the mental chatter, know, people call it the ADHD mind or the monkey mind, sort of racing thoughts. that calmed down bit?

Patrick Obolgogiani (23:26)
Yeah.

Raj Khedun (23:30)
You mentioned you fill an 8 out of 10. What would you say now?

Patrick Obolgogiani (23:41)
And nine and a half.

Raj Khedun (23:48)
Would you say Patrick you’re in somewhat of a flow state?

Patrick Obolgogiani (23:52)
It takes close like with flow I feel like I’m losing sense of time. Here I’m almost like acutely aware of the present. Similar but a little bit different.

Raj Khedun (23:56)
Mm.

Does it feel pleasant for you overall?

Patrick Obolgogiani (24:06)
Yes.

Raj Khedun (24:09)
And given that you just did this as a sample, think for the first time ever, just 60 seconds, was that quite fairly surprising how quick it was.

Patrick Obolgogiani (24:14)
Hmm, yes.

Yes.

Raj Khedun (24:25)
And do you get a sense of people that we help quite a lot of people with are sleeping issues and insomnia and so on. Do you see how this can help a person drift off to sleep if they do it just before bed? Do you get a sense of how that could help?

Patrick Obolgogiani (24:42)
Potentially, although I would have really felt this was even better for the morning when you’re kind of groggy and not wanting to wake up, I could feel this really kind of in a good way wakes you up as well. But maybe worth trying before sleep too.

Raj Khedun (24:45)
Okay.

Yeah.

think when you do it slowly, a bit slower perhaps at the time, they tend to drift off. They usually stay asleep for five to six hours, ⁓ which is quite good considering they might have taken melatonin before, or Zopiclone or other prescription meds.

Patrick Obolgogiani (25:01)
Yeah, makes sense.

Raj Khedun (25:23)
Okay, you cannot be noticed.

You’re welcome. It just gives you a compact snapshot into some of the physiological changes.

Patrick Obolgogiani (25:27)
Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Was it something you picked up in the scriptures that you read from Buddhists or something you kind of developed yourself?

Raj Khedun (25:43)
Well, ⁓ during the COVID pandemic, a lot of my female ⁓ coaching clients that I coach in relationships, they were struggling terribly with all kinds of relationships not going well. And they were thinking, is it because of the pandemic? Is it because of me? you know, some women can have terrible low self-esteem issues. And they’d always send me all the message trails and I’d see their panicking for nothing a lot of times. So I…

I would incorporate the methods like box breathing. But the problem was that after the session, they’d go back to their life and then get into a panic again because of relationship situation. And they’ll call me or have another session and say, I’d say, did you do the breathing? You know it worked, right? Last time. I said, ah, it’s not part of my lifestyle. I forgot the count. I forgot. And these are doctors and lawyers and teachers.

Patrick Obolgogiani (26:15)
you

Raj Khedun (26:40)
Right? And even some local level politicians, and I’m like, how can I make it easier for you so that you remember? So now I went into deep dive research to find an easy way. That’s just one thing. Easy to remember, rhythmical and soft and gentle, but has a big impact. So this is what I developed. Because otherwise, if you tell them to do lots of things, they won’t do any of them.

Patrick Obolgogiani (27:10)
Yeah, so I can see the, it would be really interesting to run some research together at some points, maybe in the future once we have bigger, because as you may know, like with psychological sigh, they made a big study with Huberman and others in Stanford and they found really one of the biggest alleviations for stress using that like double and then you exhale. And in a way there’s a lot of similarities here, but you could argue it could go deeper with the three.

Raj Khedun (27:10)
support.

this.

Yes.

Patrick Obolgogiani (27:33)
three

times so let’s see if it’s true but anyway really appreciate it thank you for that

Raj Khedun (27:36)
No, it’s Patrick, you made a

very good point there, because we’ve done that test with clients, those who don’t follow all the Stanford research and we’ve done that and we’ve done the three and we say which one feels better to you. And we’ll say the three because it’s deeper, it’s quicker and it’s a nice gentle rhythm, easy to remember. It’s almost like the subconscious mind. It doesn’t take much training. It’s just done. It’s like a rhythm.

Patrick Obolgogiani (27:45)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm, super interesting. And just by the way, the degree to here, like is it important to activate diaphragm when you’re doing that? Like three or does it matter as much?

Raj Khedun (28:15)
That’s a fascinating question because we’ve trained elderly people, you know, there could be 70 and they have difficulty sitting up straight, but they still get a lot of relief and they sleep well. So it’s more about the rhythm and just having your spine relatively straight or even if you’re lying in bed, it works. So the diaphragm, we don’t focus on that because a lot of people, unfortunately, they’re not really conscious of their breathing.

So when you say diaphragmatic breathing, they have no idea what you’re talking about. So our thing is like we want to help as many people as possible, even if you know nothing about breathing.

Patrick Obolgogiani (28:48)
Yeah, very true.

Raj Khedun (28:59)
So I think this is helpful.

Patrick Obolgogiani (29:02)
Yeah, no, I actually fully agree. there maybe moments when you feel like if you had the choice to, because it sounds like you’re doing this partly to maximize the adherence, right? People didn’t do something else. And so like, that is the one that feels it’s compromise to remember. you’re maximizing the human, which as we know is massively important to any intervention that you do. I’m curious, like if you could.

Raj Khedun (29:22)
Yeah.

Patrick Obolgogiani (29:25)
alter something slightly for to maximize particular outcome

Raj Khedun (29:29)
Yes.

Patrick Obolgogiani (29:30)
is based on everything you know about breathing and physiology, neurology like what is there anything you would do differently for a specific outcome that comes to mind? Whether it’s sleep or sympathy or like anything else.

Raj Khedun (29:37)
Yes, that’s.

Yeah, that’s a great question. That’s a great question. Well, we do, ⁓ for some of the athletes we work with, we recommend bhastrika bhastrika breathing is bellows breath. So it’s quick in, inhales, exhales through the nose.

get a quick rush of energy and ⁓ self-regulation. But for most people who are not athletes, are not trained, who are execs, who are stressed, who have families, could be elderly, could be young, could be children with ADHD, for example. So we train with a lot of them. We slightly ⁓ increase the pace for the 3.3 or we

Patrick Obolgogiani (30:07)
Yeah.

Raj Khedun (30:20)
working really, really well is for sleep and people who are elderly slow it

for children, why does it work so well with children? Because children like something easy to remember. One, two, three, like a choo-choo train. could say, you know, like a Thomas the Tank Engine or something like choo-choo-choo. You know, something like that. And ⁓ it’s, you can turn it into a game, make it gamified a bit. So it’s easier again to remember.

Patrick Obolgogiani (30:48)
Yeah, I can totally see that. And as I mentioned, it’s kind of because this, the pace can be altered in a way. It’s one exercise that can be turned into multiple different ones depending on what you want. So I think we did it pretty fast, right? It was definitely quite invigorating. I can imagine it being different if it was much slower.

Raj Khedun (30:57)
for it.

Yes,

yes, exactly. I like your questions because it shows that you’re very into the science of it, which is great.

Patrick Obolgogiani (31:14)
Maybe just zooming out to look at the field of longevity which you’ve looked into quite detailed in not just in breathing but also wider than that. I’m curious like what are some of the myths you see that you’d like to comment on like anything that’s kind of pervasive that you feel is maybe not helpful for people? myths?

Raj Khedun (31:31)
Yeah, there’s a couple of major points that are really key. I think people underestimate the positive mindset. I think they think that it’s optional I tend to, I have to say from all the studies and research and my own experimentation on myself and from being friends, I have to say it’s not optional. Unfortunately.

I wish I could say, I can think whatever I want. has no impact, but it does. So having a positive mindset is very important to keep your body cells joyful and activated and energetic. Because a depressed person, if you look at a depressed person, their shoulders are hunched, they’re looking down, they’re looking haggard, they’re looking older than their time. But why? What are they thinking? So thoughts have a very powerful magnetic

quality about them. So you must try to keep a positive thought stream plus the breathing plus exercise and if you can a plant-based diet. Maybe not fully, it could be omnivore like you mentioned, flexitarian but try your best to move towards a bit more of a plant-based diet and those if you can nail those four, breath, positive mindset, exercise and diet.

Patrick Obolgogiani (32:40)
you

Raj Khedun (32:55)
you’re going to be on the way to optimization.

Patrick Obolgogiani (33:00)
Yeah, I can see what you mean. What about like, how much do you think it’s personality based? how much can you change that if you’re kind of negative-nelly most of your life when they come to you? Are you able to then somehow shift their mindsets in like a period of time?

Raj Khedun (33:16)
That’s

a beautiful question. That’s a great question. And I think what has to happen is there has to be a deep dive. Like how willing are you to analyze yourself to see how you’re causing your own happiness or misery? Yeah, that’s why we love working with people who have that positive mindset and say, look, carry like that, but this is likely what’s going to happen.

Patrick Obolgogiani (33:33)
Take ownership.

Raj Khedun (33:45)
based on these examples, or you could slightly improve it a little bit and this is what’s more likely to happen. So you’ve got to give them contrast, otherwise they think they’re right and ego is ego. It’s like they don’t know until they’re shown clearly what to do. So yeah, can be done. can be done. Personality can be shifted.

Patrick Obolgogiani (34:11)
Raj, before we start wrapping up, I wanted to move at least for a bit to the world of the esoteric. It is a thing how you’ve both looked into the research and the physiology quite deeply, biology, and yet you also talk about metaphysics and things that, at least for now, aren’t proven out. I’m just curious for yourself, how do you reconcile two views into the world? You care about the science, and the same time you see this other world beyond science. How do you reconcile that?

Raj Khedun (34:38)
Well, it’s good. mean, people, they’ll often ask me and they’ll say, you know, are you religious? Yeah. Are you spiritual? Are you metaphysician? Are you neuroscientist? Are you AI? Do you even incorporate AI? Are you behind the times because you’re too religious? But what about AI then? We’re very much at the cutting edge of everything. Because in fact, if you look, you know, to answer your question, and then we can fill it in if you want, the underpinning of everything, and I mean,

Patrick Obolgogiani (35:04)
Sure.

Raj Khedun (35:07)
breathing in the universe is consciousness and energy. Again, it comes back to these two, consciousness and energy. So, you know, it’s a question of bringing all of these things into the current moment and understanding who you are, what are you? Do you even know what a human being is? What is the mind?

In school, you go through all these years of education, PhD level, master’s level, you never get one hour of instruction about what is the mind. Why is that?

Patrick Obolgogiani (35:44)
Because we don’t know the answer.

Raj Khedun (35:47)
Well, after

all these thousands of years of education, surely they should have asked that question and brought it into the curriculum. In the Eastern philosophies, like just to broaden that topic, in India, they have a different way of education. They have a guru who’s very wise and all the children sit around the guru in a circle and they imbibe energy from the atmosphere and listen to the wisdom of the guru. That’s how they start.

Patrick Obolgogiani (35:54)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Raj Khedun (36:17)
Who are you? What are you? First, your identity. Who are you? What are you? So this is how, what people ask us, how do you know so much about so many things? I think they’re not several, they’re not separate things. They’re all already one within you, but you haven’t accessed that one. So you think everything is separate. That’s, that’s, it’s an illusion.

So if people love The Matrix and they’re watching this, try to understand what they’re really saying in this talk. It will help navigate the thought process.

Patrick Obolgogiani (36:45)
you

Hmm. Yeah.

I’ve been for the last few weeks about this. I have this app which prompts me and you can set whatever you want to be prompt. And the recent one I’ve had for last couple of weeks been who is experiencing this? And it’s just like to ask yourself like, okay, who is actually looking at the screen right now? And it’s been an interesting one to delve into. Awesome. Well, Rush, thank you so much for…

Raj Khedun (37:06)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Patrick Obolgogiani (37:13)
the insight on being very transparent about the work and also what’s behind it. Where can people find more about the work you do and maybe get in touch if they want to get deeper into the work?

Raj Khedun (37:22)
Sure. So people can go to the 3-3 Insomnia Hack because it’s a big drive to help people with their sleeping disorders and insomnia. So 3-3 Insomnia Hack dot com or KeepFitKingdom dot com. They can ask questions, read testimonials, watch video testimonials that were contactable on WhatsApp. There’s a program on there they can buy. It’s like 69 pounds, I think. Gives you access to everything to start.

And then if you want to take your journey or transformation deeper, can do personalized coaching.

Patrick Obolgogiani (37:56)
Great.

And your active TikTok keepfitkingdom or what’s the handle there? Yeah. Awesome. We’ll definitely link everything in the description. But for now ⁓ Raj, thank you for being on the the part. Have a lovely rest of the week and for everyone listening, thank you for tuning in and see you again soon.

Raj Khedun (38:01)
Yeah, keep it coming on TikTok.

Thank you. See you

soon. Bye.